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It’s fascinating to note that even after they successfully defeat the Maori later, Cameron found the war extremely distasteful, and wished for it to end. He apparently found the Maori more courageous and chivalrous than the colonists he was there to defend.
Cameron might have found war distasteful but the Maori found their defeated enemies very tastful. Pass the salt old boy.
@Earðwülf cannibalization had pretty much ended by then
Allen Just a light hearted joke Matty. I have a lot of respect for the Maori culture.
I thought the british didn't defeat the maori
Not in this battle, but they won the war
say whatever you want about lindy, the fact that he does 30 minute videos talking the whole time in one shot is damn impressive
30 minutes is a skirmish for him at the point. Now he's doing full on campaigns with his videos
Wait why doesn't he do multiple takes
because he doesn't need to
I sat through a 2 hour vid of him in one take and didn’t notice 2 hours had gone by
hes very good at collecting his thoughts. Hes also not ashamed when hes mispeaks and corrects himself unlike every other youtuber with constant jump cuts.
I served in the NZ Infantry in the 70s and admired and respected my Maori comrades whose training cadre were incredibly tough, learned, intelligent and resilient. Kia kaha tatou. My father served five years in the 20th Armoured & Infantry Reg' in Italy and Egypt in WW2 and was a stretcher-bearer in the 28th Maori Battalion. He said that Maori bayonet charges were feared by the Italian and German enemy as Maori particularly relished it.
The lesser partner in ANZAC. Seems the Aussies have taken a lot of the glory. I guess you Kiwis are more modest, but more disciplined, as far as I've heared.....
I’d shit my soul out
@The Dumb Dog Imagine you were conscripted into the Wehrmacht 2 days ago and then suddenly you hear the LOUDEST haka ever and all the sudden the enemy start a massive charge
Kena koe e hoa A very lovely story🙏
I mean you'd just open fire with the MG-42.
Somehow it's deadly funny to think of a Maori warrior taunting English soldiers in English with, "Go on then have another go."
chur
Many Maori at the time as well as being multilingual international traders and travellers were more literate than the average English soldier. Mimicry had a long history in hunting and warfare for them as did psychological warfare. Maori tohunga schools taught astronomy, medicine and more. Pre European agricultural included seasonal movement between food sources, management of wild stocks to prevent, exchange of resources, and cultivated and engineered fields. designed to grow warmer climate crops in cold regions.
Or they be shouting come on try it again while I sip my tea hahaha
+shotguns!
so in us,"Go on then Have another go", 2020, go on then have another go....
Thanks for this Lindy. I wanted to add something about this battle regarding the Maori. There was a woman who extended her hand in aid to some of the fallen soldiers. This woman was the daughter of Paraone Koikoi and Matatu. Her name was Harata Te Auetu. During the night, she fretted for her uncles and her father who were engaged in the battle. She mounted her horse at Judea, and travelled alongside the kopurererua stream. She climbed up the stream and climbed up to Pukehinahina. But when she reached the other side of the river, she saw that the maori warriors had already escaped. When she arrived, she came across soldiers by the river who were injured from the battle. She took it upon herself to take them to the hospital. At the time the hospital was based at the home of Archdeacon Reverend Brown. Although she didn't even know their names, she managed to get one soldier upon her horse. By then it was daylight. She believed that if she were spotted with a soldier on her horse, they would be shot. So she took him home. She and her family nursed this soldier back to health. His name was David Hall. A few days after the battle, the British soldier returned to his infantry. But he eventually returned to the marae to ask for the hand of Harata in marriage. They then married. Such a beautiful story. An honorable act of compassion.
That would be a fantastic premise for a movie
@Mad Man It definitely would. I can imagine it being an epic scene of battle mixed with bravery. Woman aren't nearly enough shown for the bravery they show. Yet, it most always comes down to bravado testosterone of the males.
Ward damn right! Courage and compassion are sorely lacking nowadays, both in media and irl.
The Maori had some brilliant commanders. That trap is a nightmare scenario, and it's a wonder any British troops survived at all.
The Maoris were one of the few native populations that invested heavily into guns for their forces.
Like the rest of us, we where all less boring in the past then we are now
A lot of tribes on the Great Plains in a North America also invested heavily in guns, they recovered something like 42 different types of bullets and casings from the battlefield at Little Bighorn, compare that against the 2 types of firearms carried by the US Cavalry troopers at the same battle.
Not true bro it was difficult and illegal for maori to buy firearms since gun laws started here in 1840, firearms were purchased from mostly foreign whaling ships. Maori crudely manufactured there own bullets and gunpowder
Good Boy thank you brother.
Indeed. Not only smallarms, but artillery as well.
so I'm a Maori boy living in New Zealand and this is really accurate and its good that someone actually uses accurate facts to show people that we arnt that boring hahahaha
People very well might think kiwis as a whole or boring, but I've never heard anything of the sort about the Maori lol
Yo I saw the all blacks do a haka in person. It gave me shivers and sweats. I wasn’t even playing them
As a rugby player (former, now i m too old) from Belgium I mvery familiar with the All Blacks and the Haka ... I also love the NZ band Alien alien weaponry (I recognized the language as soon as they they first appeared in my KZsection recommended playlist) ... I just know the Moari are not boring ...
As someone of Maori descent, this is incredibly well done. My ancestors and family are warriors and I am proud to say we still practice many of our marshal traditions. It's incredible to see interest in Maori history, not many people know it, except for "British come in etc" when there is more to it than that, there is so much history there. The history of this country is just one tragedy and misunderstanding after another. Might I add your pronunciation of Maori words was pretty good, better than most non-Maori speaking KZsectionrs, a few mistakes but you did your best.
You are fantastic, a sort of historical Kenny Everett! I was born in Tauranga, live in Hamilton, and am moving to the UK next year. The first paper I took at university was the New Zealand Wars, and as part of our assessment, General Sir Duncan Cameron (portrayed by our lecturer, complete with Highland accent) was put on a mock trial for misconduct in the Battle of Gate Pa. The class was divided into two - prosecution and defense, with 'lawyers' elected from each group. This all took place at the Tauranga Courthouse! He was found Not Guilty, by the way :-). Happily subscribed!
Good video! My uncle is generally considered the main authority on Gate Pa, I work with him as a cultural consultant to Tauranga City council. I'll be sure to show him this video, if he hasn't already seen it, I'm sure he would be quite happy to see that this rather significant part of New Zealand history is being told around the world in such a concise manner. :)
I am a direct descendant of rehara wakatairoa who fought at gate pa and was seen yelling out British commands in a British accent it's said that he made 15 British soldiers come into a area were him and other Maori were waiting in ambush when they got close enough they got mowed down..his deeds are rembered in songs today
Ushh.
Can you make a video where you sing it, possibly with English subtitles?
proud heritage
That's not cricket old boy...
You're proud of that?
Lindy, as a Kiwi, thank you very much for covering this sadly little known kind of history! Not enough kiwis know about the New Zealand Land Wars but they should for the military strategy and technology shown is amazing. Point of note: The wars from 1807 to 1842 are the Musket Wars (inter tribal) and the later wars from 1845 to 1872 are the NZ Land Wars (british and tribal allies vs māori) Pronunciation: Toe--wron-nga. The first two a's become long sounds closer to o.
I live in Waiuku and not that far from where I live is the site of a battle from the musket wars.
Fully agree - even in NZ this part of history tends to gets brushed over. I thought the same thing about Lindy's pronunciation of Tauranga, but having looked at the Wiki for this page, the old diagrams and notes about this battle refer to "TeRanga" not Tauranga. I think that was just what pakeha used to call Tauranga, so i guess Lindy has simply used an older book referring to this battle.
Also the g is silent
the battle of Gate Pa isnt that looked over, every year theres a sizable memorial in tga.
Technically it isn't. The G in "nga" helps shape the sound differently than if it were actually a silent letter.
Tena koe Lindybeige. Nga mihi ki a koe mo to korero pangia tenei mahi rongonui o nga tupuna. Thank you LB. Thank you for presenting this talk about these famous deeds of our ancestors. I did enjoy hearing about Gate Pa again and in such a competent and balanced way. When your used to hearing your language and history get butchered by others, its was refreshing to hear your presentation. You have earned my loyal subscription. Cheers.
Hey my pee pee hurts wlare you te roopo
Ae bro
only the best got sent into the 'final' war of empires, hence why we are still lacking to this day. Republic Aotearoa Zealand
Please be aware that when he says "british" what he means is supporters/active participants/employees of the UK REGIME. The british are the indigenous habitants of the british isles who were just as poorly treated by the violent gangs of the regime as the mauris...just many many years previous.
so butchered
I was born and raised in Tauranga. They hold a memorial service every year for the battle of gate pā. Would be interested in hearing about the battle/“massacre” that happened 7 weeks later near Pyes Pā
Kia ora, there is a 3 part video with more information on the battle and history of Tauranga. Tauranga Moana Elders tell the history of Mauao, part 1 by Kihi Ngatai and part 2 and 3 by my Koro Hauata Paama.
When's the next one?
LB is so easy to follow, he has a really smooth way about him. Very cool synopsis and well condensed conclusions about the battle, its disparities, and similarities of forces. So many people following, and of course the particular topics LB chooses, make me feel so much less alienated and odd. I am in to what he posts about, always informative. LB rocks, and this vid about maori was particularly cool.
Incredible courage and staunch- heartedness is not just a British attribute and actions like Rorke's Drift were fought by many other soldiers/ warriors of other nations and people - as Lindy once again shows us in his brilliant style. Such lesser known actions deserve to be brought out of dusty, seldom read history books to show people that bravery is a human characteristic and not only bestowed upon a few specific nations. For example, I have just read that during the Peninsular War a company sized unit of French soldiers (about 150 men) held off an attack by a force Spanish Guerillas numbering thousands for a whole day and night, an event I for one had never heard of before.
Great video. So much of our history here in NZ is being re-written in the all-to-familiar "goodies vs baddies" narrative that is, to put it as kindly as I can, utter horseshit. The various "Maori Wars" period is complex and fascinating and there were a lot more than two "sides" involved. Nor were they all "rebellions". Over 500 chiefs signed the Treaty of Waitangi (1840) that gave full British citizenship to all Maori, ostensibly making everyone "equal" at least in the eyes of the law. Much, or at least some, of the unrest was not aimed at overthrowing British rule as much as it was anger that the Treaty was not being honoured properly. Certainly some of it was the inevitable result of telling a tribal, warrior class, "You can't fight anymore but don't worry, you can go to the Police if something crops up" and thinking that would work. Thanks for this. I hope our history is being accurately preserved somewhere, even if it isn't here, where it belongs. PS: "Tauranga" is pronounced TOW (like 'how' or 'cow') RONG (like 'song') A. Tow - rong - a Cheers.
Thanks for doing this video Lindy! Hori Ngatai (who fought in this battle and is known for reciting this story) was my great great great grandfather direct line from eldest son to eldest son. His father was also one of the members who signed the Waitangi Treaty that finally unified New Zealand. I've always liked the story of Gate Pah, my ancestors were bad ass apparently! Don't stress about the PC police... some people have poles in their backsides.
Much respect to you fine sir! Glad to see others dismissing this PC BS
at least spell Pa correctly...ffs
another bounty bar maori...brown on the outside , white on the inside :)
Books of the time wrote it as "Pah" and the Maori of the time didn't have a written language, not sure what your problem is
My problem it's spelt incorrectly and there's is no need to remain ignorant in 2018. the book he quoted was printed between 1900-1910. Maori have been exposed to the written word due to the introduction of the bible and the missionaries during the early 1800s. Note: Literacy, in particular, became extremely popular among Māori. By 1842 most Māori aged between 10 and 30 could read and write their own language, a higher literacy rate than in the non-Māori population. You drip of the same ignorance and disrespect that lost the british this battle :) teara.govt.nz/en/maori-pakeha-relations/page-2
Enjoyed the video. While there were several instances of British victories in Battles. Gate Pah was in fact not an isolated incident. For the Maori the battles themselves were not a problem. The real distribution of risk was becoming an existential risk to competing Imperial powers regionally and beyond. It intrigues me that not much attention is ever given to how Polynesian and European Maritime competition played out prior to rightfully well known examples of military science and history.
The passion this man has for history makes it a lot more fun to watch. I really enjoy this channel, i thought I knew quite a bit about history. This teaches me about things I have never heard of. Keep up the fantastic work my friend.
I wish my teachers had been like this in school. this man is very well spoken, and manages to keep everything exciting. even the most mundane details....
I love the energy that you exude while delivering these little lectures. You have a knack for making these subjects extremely interesting
Hi Lindybeige, I love this story and you tell it well. You said a bit about Maori having great sapping abilities. It's a while ago now but I think I remember one of my history professors at saying that trench warfare originated in Aotearoa. The Great War could have gone quite differently if if if ....
You have been my favorite youtuber for as long as I can remember and videos like this is an exemplary example as to why, Fantastic job! I may add that I am British Maori, I was born and raised in Berkshire but my fathers side of the family comes from the Ngti Awa tribe in Whakatane which is beside Tauranga, along the coast. When ever we go back home there is always talk of this battle even today and you're video is fantastic at representing both British and Maori people in an honorable objective manor!
So glad to have pleased you! I have never been there, but one day...
...you've never been to Berkshire?....shame on you Mr Beige!
British Maori's rule lol. Love from NZ!
Please do - we have both Lindy hoppers AND reenactors!.... and all that other stuff too
Pa (no 'h' ) is the correct spelling for a fortified Maori village.
My ancestors were involved in this battle against the British.They were also involved in another battle where the British were withdrawing for lack of ammunition.The chief sent a warrior over to see if they wanted to borrow some ammo as the fight was just getting good !
Are the Maori real life Orcs? Because both have so many similarities in culture and view of the world that I would not be surprised the Maori inspired the creation of the Orcs.
I spent most of my first year in New Zealand up north in the Bay of Islands where the Treaty of Waitangi was written, so I got to learn lots about the local history right from the beginning of me emigrating here. And the one thing that has always been crystal clear to me is how amazing the Māori warriors were, and still are. And as a descendant of the vikings myself I've found lots in common with them. We both stuffed the British, at least for a while, were amazing sailors and fishermen, respected our women more than what was usual for the time anyway, and put a great emphasis on storytelling. I know I am flattering myself by comparing my culture with theirs, but I truly feel blessed to live in this country and to have a connection with their culture through the friendships I've made. Sadly there is still a lot of racism towards Māori today, they are still not fully treated as the rightful owners of this land, but I am hopeful for the future. Especially now as the older generations are dying off, we just need to prevent the younger generations from adopting the outdated colonial way of thinking. Kia kaha!
The Maori were settlers themselves.
Anonim of course, how else would they find themselves on these islands? Do you feel this somehow diminish their claim on this land? Not accusing you, just asking because that is a common far-right talking point down here.
Viking Indigenous settler status is just one of many claims a group may have. They didn't, however, establish the country of New Zealand as we know it, which is another claim a group may have. Irridentism is a far right idea.
Anonim so you did mean what I thought you meant. Do you feel it is important for you to spend time weakening their claim? I mean, what else did you hope to achieve by commenting "they're settlers too"? Isn't it rather obvious that this is Māori land? Sure some parts of the south island was unclaimed land. But had this part of the world been allowed to develope without being colonized it would have been called Aotearoa, but European settlers came here and imposed their laws and made it into the New Zealand we know today. Acknowledging the rightful owners of an area is not exactly irridentism.
Viking It's entirely possible that a nation may have a pluralistic story to tell, in fact absent rigid blood and soil ethnonationalism most countries tend to have them.
1700 men being on a trek in 1900s nz? It's a formidable force even now in nz... I cant even get 1 bro to come to the dairy with me
Haha lol
it's a small local shop like the corner store usually owned by a Indian or Chinese lol
Because you know what happens if you leave you scooter outside
nek minute
I am so glad I came across your channel. I love history and you do a fantastic job of telling a story. From across the pond in New York I thank you.
Love rewatching this series!! Weaving is also another thing that all Polynesian cultures have in common... In NZ we start our kits with a plait, that, upon finishing the braid, created a palm leaf type of pattern...
Many thanks for not spoiling the scholar's cradle outcome. Takes the excitement right out of it for me when I know what happens. Honestly, whatever the Great Courses Plus are paying you, it isn't enough.
BrendanBlake42 They are sponsoring his beige shirt addiction.
That. Is. Wonderful. Full credit to the Maori. That is the kind of brilliant yet simple genius that one can only think of if you are trying to bridge such a tech gap. Well played
This is fascinating. I'm primarily educated in late antiquity, so it's always good to learn about new areas of history!
Fascinating video! By the way, Double Barreled shotguns in 1856..? They existed, but were just as hard to load as muzzle loading muskets, the cartridge had just been invented, and most armies considered breach-loading guns high-tech stuff. Only one Army at this time has adopted the cartridge firing breach-loader, and it´s the Prussian Army with the Dreyse ´needle gun´. The French stepped towards the Chassepot, similar system with a paper ´bullet´ or ´round´ containing lead bullet, 2 sorts of powder or single powder + striker, being plugged into the rear of a gun but... Two barrels is great for firing double shots, but they took just as long to reload if they were muzzleloaders (which they were, I suspect). And that ´best Army in the world´ needed some serious reforms, this became all to apparent by the abysmal performance during the Crimean War. Soldiers who volunteered were still tied basically lifelong to their units, under semi-feudal leadership, officers ranks were simply bought instead of earned, while the ordinary soldier (who now needed a considerably level of motivation and technical professional knowledgde to exploit ever more technology dominated warfare) was still hung... Beaten... Clubbed... ´Run trough´ (the whips of every soldier and officer in the unit) the gauntlet, and all other nice things for simply forgetting to tie up his uniform or something like that. Yes, theft was still a hanging crime in Victorian Britain! You stole an apple, you got hung till you rotted, period. And since most soldiers came to the Army in hopes of salvation instead of pure patriotism, only to find out that beatings and barely any food were norms of the day, regardless of how well they performed... Well, ´morale collapse´ was pretty common before one Officer called ´Cardwell´ noted that the British Army was not up to modern warfare, and started the Cardwell (?) Reforms of the 1870s. After all, being beaten by Maori, Zulu, Mahdists and barely holding their own against the (even worse) treated Russian Army while being part of alliance that consisted of all great powers of Europe/Middle East pitted vs Russia alone? The best *navy* of the 19-20th century, I agree without a doubt, and that gave the British Army the element of surprise and ability to strike anywhere on the Globe with strong logistics. But the best *army* of that period..? Definitely the Prussian Star was rising faster post-1815 as an Army than the British, at least after their initial setbacks during Sleschwig-Hollstein War v1.0 vs Denmark in 1848-1850. They beat up the whole alliance of the Crimean War one after the other: Austria, Hungary, other German states, than Denmark in the 2nd Sleswig-Hollstein War, than France... And yeah, everybody got the message in terms of land forces, there was a new tough guy (Bully?) on the block! :-) This prompted the British to wake up however, and start training a much more professional force, that would man per man outstrip anything in the world AFTER the Boer Wars thought them another good lessons and need for reform. :-) But undoubtedly the British Expeditionary Force sent into Belgium in 1914 could be considered the pinnacle of soldiery. Sadly enough, 100.000 men vs 2 million Germans flooding in... This was a different sort of war. But together with the underrated Belgian Army´s resistance, together they held of a 5:1 numerically superior force with even more discrepancy in artillery firepower for months, so bravo! *Claps hands...* Regards
Holy fuck you love guns g
Sure both were muzzleloaders, but the Maori shotguns were easier to load because they were smoothbore. The British guns were rifles. Much harder and therefore more time consuming to ram a bullet down a rifled barrel as it has to fit tight to the rifling. The video is correct.
History is written by the victors. ....and that's why I've never heard of this battle. Excellent video really enjoyed it, fascinating stuff. Thank you sir. 😊
Decided to pause and look into siege mortars. Fell into stories of their use in the american civil war. Absolutely brutal when you think about how the war consisted of not only brother vs brother, but brother brutally maiming or killing brother.
The moustache is a grossly underestimated tool in war. About time it was recognised
Imagine if the Maori had moustaches and fancy uniforms! They'd have been unstoppable.
And Flags!
Sheldon Cooper would definitely agree with you. These guys had some good ol' Fun With Flags.
tigermunky And crenellated contextual pommels. 😉
Agnarr Salventius I cant believe no one commented about how orgasmic this statement is.
If anyone was wondering: Gate Pā is spelt like so because the Māori language does not have silent letters like the ‘h’ in ‘Pah’. Maori is generally very sensibly spelt once you learn how to pronounce the different letters and sounds. Although I’m not sure, I’d chance that the ‘h’ in ‘Pah’ was added just because it made more sense to the British, and cultural awareness wasn’t quite in fashion at the time.
For more detailed information on this & more of our war history check out The New Zealand Wars series by New Zealand Historian James Belich, available free on KZsection. Once again, great video! Thanks for the fantastic content! 👍
I'm a Maori ..been to Britain in nort East England..people there are great..I was in a pub the publican bought this blunderbuss out to show me..locals said first time they'd seen it ..they been drinking there for year's..I didn't have to buy a beer
I live in Auckland NZ, you can still see Maori siege engineering on every major hill in the city. Somewhat like celtic hillfort engineering. In the 1840s, Maori in the north even devised effective anti-artillery bunkers. A good book is "The New Zealand Wars" by James Belich.
It's Important to remember the Maori shotguns used paper cased shotshells which became popular only ten years before (1850). The guns themselves could shoot a hand-load, yet it was common to hand wrap a cartridge when you knew you were going to need them. Misfires from paper cartridges were relatively common but the double barrels offset this problem somewhat.
2 things people have to know. Maori were fighting on their land for their people. And they had a fighting culture already so they knew how to navigate. Respect to all Pakeha/British & Maori fallen
Thanks for covering the NZ Maori wars. It may have been the other end of the world (for you) but definitely a fascinating clash of cultures. My family fought on the British side but there was huge respect for the bravery and ingenuity of the Maori - as this engagement showed. Just a couple of things: 1) Please learn how to properly pronounce "Tauranga". Just ask any kiwi. 2) The effectiveness of earthwork fortifications against artillery was later adopted by the British engineer, George Thompson, in Paraguay during the Triple Alliance War. There's no evidence that he learned this from Maori (since he was never in NZ). But his design of the Humaitá fortress and other fortifications used similar concepts. Story is that the Brazilian Navy would shoot hundreds of cannon shells into the fort which would embed themselves in the moist earthen walls. At night, the Paraguayans would exit their bunkers to collect the iron balls and fragments, melt them down to form new cannon balls - then fire them back at the Brazilians. George Thompson wrote a good book about it ... although Thomas Whigham's two recent books on the War offer a richer history. :)
Lindy makes the best ads. Let it be known. This one had me laughing at multiple points. And I watched the whole thing which is much longer than it needs to be (I think most companies just require a minute) but Lindy's are so animated and personal. Always a treat
Kia Ora from Aotearoa, I am a Māori, just popping in to see an international interpretation of what happened here to our ancestors. Thank you! I easpecially appreciate the humor. Ngā mihi!
"How many Maori were there?" "Enough."
Bathurst your Mrs done u over quite well by the sounds of it lmao
Tyme thats where savage come to mind and with all that out the door @ x wifey thinking shes up there and all good stuff she will do in the community . ora vha chow
They tried to wipe out all our Maori people and they almost succeeded
All good friends now
After the initial assault resulting in the disproportionate loss of field officers, the hierarchical British troops not surprisingly looked about in the confusion for someone to give them orders. This was apparently a weakness in the military training of the British. I am reminded of the great minor scene in APOCALYPSE NOW when the Sheen character stumbled upon a few troops in a foxhole and asked, "Who's in charge here?" One of the grunts responded, "Ain't you?" In battle, confusion may prove to be the most lethal weapon.
I'm in Hawaii and when you said it is actually called "Gate Pā", I was like Ohhhhhhh. Pā, of course, means "wall" throughout Polynesia.
While it's true that pa is a colloquialism for wall in Samoa it's much more commonly referred to as a puipui
Pa is pretty much just a plot of land that has been bordered off in Maori
For Māori it means fort
Ujuani Abelsen That's very interesting.
Yes in Tongan we say 'A which means wall like 'a maka "rock wall"
Do a video on The Great Emu War of 1932 when brave Australian Soldiers did battle with the fearsome warriors of the Great Emu Empire. The Emus used some very unorthodox tactics to defeat their Australian foes without killing a single one.
As a New Zealander myself this was very fun to listen to, great job
I enjoyed this summary of that battle. The British P-53 was an excellent rifle for the day. As a slight correction, shotguns could not be loaded faster (both being muzzle loading) than a P-53 but with double barrel shotguns you had two shots. A trained British infantryman could load and fire a P-53 three times per minute but in that 20 or 30 seconds of reloading the P-53 the Maori could get off one additional shot. From what I read on Wiki though, the Maori quickly resorted to their hand held weapons after emptying their shotguns. As you mentioned, double barreled shotguns were excellent when in a defensive position. I am a student of the American Civil War and the entrenchments, dugouts and even the zig zag entrenchment avenues sound exactly like what both sides routinely dug and built during the ACW which took place at the same time as this battle. The Maori clearly had some expert advice in this regard.
my people developed this form of warfare well before the american civil war no white man advised our people how to build trenches bomb proof bunkers it was developed by a chief in the far north of new zealand a great chief called kawiti and was used to defeat the might of england in one battel ruapekapeka the bats nest look it up mean as native savages beating the super power of that era even todays scribes debate how my people developed dear i say invented modern trench warfare when i was training in nz army our trenches had not changed much i was and am proud of my warrior heritage please get the facts kiaora
@Bay fiewn They had trenches in the 1770s during the American Revolutionary War where the U.S. defeated the British. Trenches and bomb proofs are common sense.
Great video! The New Zealand Wars is a fascinating topic and one well worth investigating. Like you said, Māori earthworks or Pā were second to none. Tauranga ika Pā was a particularly well designed Pā, even if it was never used. Incidentally, I'm sure someone has pointed this out already but spelling pā with the macron above the ā is how it's spelled in Māori.
What I find very interesting is that it didn't only approximate WWI it basically nailed it head on. All the way down to what I'm going to add being that clubs are far more effective weapons in trenches than even a rifle with a clip. WWI soldiers preferred clubs and knifes for in-trench engagements over their rifles, both on the defensive and the offensive.
The overshot artillery reminded me of what happened at Gettysburg. The Confederate artillery shells had fuses that burned more slowly than expected, so that shells that were intended to explode over the heads of the union front lines passed over, doing significant damage to the supply wagons, but leaving the union infantry mostly intact. The result was disaster for Pickett's charge.
Lloyd you're one of the few youtubers who can hold my attention for half an hour. Great video!
You should do a video on a Northwest Rebellion Battle, unknown British Victorian battles are always very interesting and you do a great job talking about it
We got told about this battle in History Class during High School, 8 years ago my teacher said they made the Fort just for a fight and one of my classmates remarked "Hundreds of Years later nothings changed"
Lindy has the best military history channel on KZsection in my opinion. Although I would watch a 45 minute long video of nothing but lindy's 3 minute ads patched together as a single video hes such a good storyteller
Nice one man. Speaking as a new Zealander myself, you did justice to this story.
The Maori seem extremely intelligent and coordinated when compared to other "savage" native tribes. An extremely educated or experienced enemy is an extremely dangerous one.
Another very interesting war that was similar to this was the Chichimec war. The Spanish empire had conquered most of the civilizations in Mesoamerica, but could never truly conquer the nomadic groups of northern Mexico collectively known as Chichimec because of their primitive guerrilla tactics.
very interesting video. As a New Zealander I say well done on your pronunciation of Maori words. some of them can be tricky at times. i can see that you are very dedicated to history as am I
Hey I enjoy your “modern” history stuff too! You just do a really good job narrating and hitting all the important points
Interesting to see your thoughts on an engagement in New Zealand. Any thoughts on how the forest rangers fought against the Maori in the bush, using a Bowie knife in the left hand they would use it like a shield to block against an attack from a Patu (club or tomahawk style weapon), while in the otherhand have a pistol ready to fire close range. I thought it sounded a different nasty kind of warfare that. The Forest rangers were led by a man called Von Tempsky who was a larger than life character on his own, worth looking into.
I really enjoy listening to this guy. Regardless of the topic. I've learnt a lot listening to his stories in the last day or two. More please! Don't care what it's about as long as this chap is the one narrating. For the first time, skint as i may be I am actually considering this patreon thingimy... More of this dude and this sort of thing!
The technique you describe was used by the British colonists in a book series "Atlantis" by Harry Turtledove. If you enjoy alternative history, Turtledove is your go to guy.
In my schooling, such as it was, and in the books I went on to read on my own, the French Revolution was named as the event that bookmarks the start of modern history. And regarding 19th Century British military campaigns, every time I read/hear of a new one, I think that when the Great War came along, the British just forgot all the lessons they'd learned in the 19th Century, on success and on failure. Just because they were fighting Germans now instead of natives, perhaps. Kitchener did know his stuff in preparing the mammoth logistics effort, I guess, but Haig and all the rest just forgot all the tactics they'd honed, and where things had gone wrong in the recent past.
I was always taught Modern history started with the Renaissance.
The Germans are born to fight and rule. As they rule Europe now in 2018.
That was great. Thank you Lindybeige. I really enjoy your videos. Please keep making more!
You are right, the troops broke formation, their officers were dead, and they were all of a sudden fighting close quarters against a skilled, ferocious foe who gave no quarter.
I'm from NZ and although I have no Maori blood I'm proud of them. Can you do one on Gallipoli?
Lindybeige! You are a fantastic story teller! I loved this. On to watching more!
My fathers line were brought to NZ on one of the first 2 settler ships,they were a mix of Scottish and Danish,and they hated the English with a passion,so they had many fights with them it's been said,9 brothers and 4 Sisters,some were professionals like Lawyers and Doctors.
Hi Loyd! I was wondering if you could talk about coattails. Or any long, drapey cloth covering the legs throughout history. So many uniforms and outfits have had things like trench coats, drapes, and skirts. It seems that around the 1940's is when many western nations started to abandon long coattails in military gear although the germans famously had a lot of attire that featured it. It seems like something that could potentially snag or hinder mobility in many cases. What do you have to say? COATTAILS!
Coat tails were an earlier invention . . they covered the Kraken during those times when people went into battle without pants
British Light Infantry didn't have coat-tails during the Maori Wars; they cut them off before the American Civil War of 1775-1783
Williams great point, I'm sure, but that was the American Revolutionary War - not the Civil War.
To be perhaps a tad pedantic, the American Revolution was also a civil war. A great many Americans were Loyalists and voluntarily fought for their King.
@J Seagull quite true there was an aspect of civil warfare present, but by the time you capitalize the title, the American Civil War was a specific war in the 1860s that had very little to do with Britain.
Interesting bit of trivia: 2 brothers, descendants of one of the Maori killed at this battle, formed a heavy metal band called Alien Weaponry. They write and perform many of their songs in Te Reo Maori, including "Ruana Te Whenua," which is about this very battle.
I'd hardly call them a metal band. Just copycats of pre existing bands. I go to every metal concert that comes by where I live within New Zealand. But I didn't see them.
"but he got the town of hamilton named after him" trust me, that is no honour
lol chur
dont talk shit about the tron bro. one outs g square up
I_360_No_scoped_JFK what it’s known for
bro ctch me at kura kfc 2nite, gt a 1/2 eaten snck box and free hidin 4 u tena kuay
Block why you being heavy on the bro eah, falas just defending his hood.
Sir you make history come alive! If more history teachers were like you, class would be fun. Hello from Kentucky USA.
I do believe there is a story here in NZ about cpt Hamilton ..he stood up to rally his men and started to say something along the lines of "come on men they cant aim at this range." and was immediately shot in the head...I think it was him...we don't get to learn a hell of a lot of out history here. :(
I wish I would have had a professor like you in college, in all honesty.
Love these david vs goliath battle storys. how about cover the finnish vs soviet winter war?
Psychosonata or the soviets vs everyone else in the russian civil war
Or the battles of whites vs reds in the finnish civil war...!
+ Alejandro who was the david, would that be the soviets
figot latenby versus the White Army, yes
Was gonna say that, the odds were enormously in the soviets favor.
The Maori are a facinating example of a previously Stone-Age people adapting to Industrial Era warfare. They enthusiastically adopted firearms - the more powerful/richer tribes actually posessed some cannons - and quickly learned how to effectively use them in war - at first in tribal conflicts, and later against the settlers and British military. They also completely redesigned their traditional pa fortification plans to adapt to guns and cannon, which as you said, were designed to be quickly made and disposable since pitched battles against the British would have been a losing strategy.
I think "stone age" is a little hyperbolic. They were part of a seafaring civilisation who did their own share of ocean-going colonization and conquest, albeit on a smaller scale. You can compare the Maori to the Aborigines of Australia, who were hopelessly outmatched by even a modest colonial force.
Another possibile reason for the zig-zag trenches may have been for crossfire. Sort of like the idea behind the old star shaped forts. With just a straight trench, the closer the enemy gets to the line, the more difficult it becomes for defenders further down to fire on them. The pockets formed by an angular design would allow for more fire to be brought to bear should a potential breach occur at some point along the line.
maybe the word you were looking for was Indigenous people rather than less civilized peoples. The word pā is a Maori word so that's why it has been corrected. Great podcast. interesting hearing it from a British perspective as we tend to view the colonial forces as the bad guys, the "Land Wars" were unjust and so much Maori land stolen and people killed, imprisoned & dispossessed with terrible ramifications that ring to this day, things are slowly being made right.
General Duncan Cameron wanted to have a township built in his honour, Cameron town. I'm not to sure what happened with that, but he did get a Road named after him through the battle site of gate pa. My acknowledgements to all those of both sides that have made Tauranga what it is today.
OMG i love when i see New Zealand history online as it isnt always as popular as greek history, the vikings ect. Btw if it isnt odvious im maori and living in New Zealand
As a Kiwi with dutch blood I feel I can take an interesting historical back seat with this sort of thing. Respect in any case
This would make a pretty good war movie.
Jeffery Liggett there is a movie that takes place during the New Zealand Wars and it is called The River Queen.
A good project for Peter Jackson and co maybe.
Good god NO, he will make it a trilogy and introduce an Elf chick !
So humor was not part of your NZ military training ?
That tatic, holding a fortified position then abandoning it after your opponent has been "well bleed" , is one of the main tactics of the v.c. in the Vietnam War.
It's heartening to hear that both sides behaved in a civilized manner towards the fallen. I hope that part is true.
Navel troops also carried revolvers, very handy against close combat specialists like the Moari.
Love this type of video Lloyd, as a New Zealander it's always a pleasant surprise the hear talk of your home on an international media platform, not much of a surprise to hear "toe rangah" or "moow ree" haha 😂😉 appreciate the video
Great lectures. I learned much from your presentations. Very entertaining 😎💖🏆🇺🇸
I like what he's doing now, but I do hope he talks about weapons/armor again soon. Preferably of the bronze persuasion.
Id never heard of Lindybeige before but I found this video by accident and enjoyed it and made me want to see more.Very good!!
This video drove me to what’s probably an obvious conclusion: during colonial times, victory against the British meant that you had torked them off enough that they went away and came back with loads more guys and guns.
You are correct about the navy having more experience when compared to U.S military tactics which are based on most of histories conflict studies., though Marines in general have always had breach training while army personnel and soldiers focused on tactical maneuvering around the battlefield and support fields like artillery.
LOVE your channel. Fantastic info and my very own sense of humour (Would we have conquered the world had we not been equipped with such tremendous moustaches?)
Have you done/could you do a piece on how much they told soldiers? For example: Did the soldier know why they were shooting at nothing in order to hide an advance of another group through the swamp?
As a New Zealander I thank you for covering a very much not covered much at all
Cody Dockerty what do you say Tauranga!?
Hello, fellow countryman
Good morning lads
Reporting in
I grew up near Gate Pa. I hope he covers more of the land war stuff in future.
I have to wonder if this experience gave the british some advantage in the timeframe for getting into the right mindset for effective trench building half a century later.
The Maori were really brave warriors. When we think about the British invading and colonizing we tend to think more about the battles with the Zulu. But the Maori were absolutely dedicated to fighting off the British.
The Maori were colonisers also. They are a Polynesian culture who arrived only a few hundred years prior to the British. They are not indigenous.
Subeedei Baatar you do know that more Maori fought with the Crown than against it. And that in later battles Maori Commanders led mixed formations. Please do not apply things you might know about other places to New Zealand.
Mmmmm, so I see today they must have won. No sign of the British
@Ir monkey that doco is bogus.
Really love the channel, the content, delivery, all wonderful. Thanks so much.